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New translation: Capoeira without prejudice
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ShadowCat
ShadowCat

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12.02.2011 15:29   Quote
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Hi everyone, I wanted to share this viewpoint by Mestre Moraes where he talks about pejorative nicknames being given to African descendants in capoeira.

If you want to watch the original video (in Portuguese), you can do so here.

Shayna
Capoeira-Connection.com

 

Mestre Moraes
President and founder of GCAP – Grupo de Capoeira Angola Pelourinho
Masters’ in Social History, Federal University of Bahia

I’d like to try to pass on to you all of my concerns about the theme I’m bringing to the table regarding the issue of “bullying” in capoeira.

We know that, in the various African cultures, giving a name to a child when he or she is born is the motive for ceremonies that merge with the assuming of a particular position. The giving of a name means maintaining the relationship of ancestralitybetween the child and his/her predecessors.

From the African ports, the slave trade has been removing the names of Africans. It was a strategy for denying identity, denying the relationship that this child, man, or woman had – with baptism. It would be better if it was called a ceremony or any other name besides baptism, because the term “baptism” itself is a colonizer. With the arrival of these Africans in the Diasporas, this practice of name removal was continued. The objective was that they would remain unknowns in the new world, with no possibility of contacting their relatives.

What saddens me is knowing that practices that were once utilized to repress those men and women who the society of the time called the “dangerous classes” – dangerous because they didn’t accept the negation of their right to liberty – that we, capoeiristas, continue to this day the practice of giving nicknames to capoeiristas (practitioners of capoeira), justifying capoeira nicknames with tradition.

It’s an ironic mistake, because there was no tradition of giving nicknames. This tradition would not have been accepted, as it was not accepted at any time by the African descendants, by the Africans who were trafficked to this country (I want to specifically speak about Brazil). They didn’t accept this form of treatment which, however it was done, was always pejorative. I call it “pejorative” not to have your own name, the name of your origin, and having to accept a Catholic name chosen by the slave master or by the slave trader.

Contradictorily – in the face of this battle that all we Afro-descendants and other ethnic segments of this society have fought to have possibility of gaining our authority and liberty on all social levels –  unfortunately in a practice that we believe would be responsible for continuing the battle for liberty, continues having the practice of many slave masters and traders – and this practice occurs in capoeira.

What can be said about a capoeirista who, when he rises the level of capoeira mestre, he continues to accept being called Urubu (“vulture”), Rato (“rat”), Sapo (“frog”), Macaco (“monkey”) [Translator’s note: In Brazil, it is extremely offensive to call a dark-skinned person “monkey”] – and justifies this with tradition?

And your son will train capoeira with one of these capoeira mestres, who then resolves (also justifying it in the name of tradition) to call your son – who was named after his grandfather or great-grandfather, or after a singer you really liked who reminds you of happy moments – and you name your son after this singer, and then a capoeira mestre appears and decides authoritatively that from that moment on, in the name of tradition, your son will be called “vulture.” He will be called “frog.” He will be called “spider.” He will be named after any of these animals that only fit into the mestre’s understanding of tradition.

Now, what happens in reality is that I’ve asked many capoeira mestres, capoeiristas, and capoeira beginners if their parents call them by their apelido (nickname). And they say, “No. My dad doesn’t like it. But I tell my dad that my mestre said that thisapelido is for tradition. And I respect tradition, and I respect my mestre, so I want to keep the nickname, even though you don’t like it, mom and dad.”

So today, the mestre of capoeira, contradictorily – I don’t want to generalize, but I can state that 90% of capoeira mestres have continued this practice. I’ve been the victim of problems as a result of my battle against this practice in capoeira. There are capoeiristas who disown me because I want to discuss it and bring this discussion to society.

What’s interesting is the proposal of Law 10.639, a federal law that guides theinclusion of cultures of African roots in elementary, middle, and high schools, in basic education, and we know that our children are there. Capoeira is being included; it is part of the curriculum of various state and city schools. And our sons are there, at the disposition of these capoeira mestres who believe that they can no longer be Jose – that they, because they are black, can be “monkey,” “vulture,” or whatever else interests these capoeira mestres.

I’ve had the experience – the happy experience – of talking with some capoeiristas, including Urubu (“vulture”), who I mention because he is a capoeira mestre in Rio de Janeiro. He publicly stated that he no longer wanted anyone to call him Urububecause I said to him, “Your mother didn’t give birth to a vulture.” He said, “That’s true, mestre. My mother gave birth to me.” – and he said that he no longer wanted anyone to call him “vulture.”

Another, because he is tall and black, his nickname is “Chaminé” (chimney). He also decided that no one should call him Chaminé any longer. And many others have such nicknames. Logically, because we knowing that the European beauty standard reigns in this country – of course, with the globalization of capoeira, the Europeans have different nicknames. Their nicknames are less aggressive – or they are reminiscent of heroes or “beautiful” people as portrayed on TV, and that’s why they have different nicknames than African descendants. So, normally the nickname of an African descendent is pejorative, disrespectful, and no one has done anything about it.

I call attention to this, ladies and gentlemen, because if you intend to put your kids in capoeira, or if any of you yourselves practice capoeira and have a nickname, I hope that you begin to reflect on the fact that you have a name, and whoever has a name doesn’t need a nickname.

Regarding the question of “bullying”: does “bullying” exist in capoeira? Could my children and your children who train capoeira and are in school feel happy being called “monkey” or “telephone booth” or “cripple” and other such things that capoeiristas have been called?

This is the reflection that I bring to the table, and I want to give thanks for the opportunity to bring this discussion to an audience that I’m sure will contribute in some way, with me, so that this subject is shared, is talked about in the world of capoeira and throughout society, so that we can try to call the attention of the capoeiristas – that they don’t need nicknames. They need names.

So I want to give thanks and to say that I don’t practice capoeira only to throw my legs up in the air as many are doing. I believe that in capoeira we need to pay attention to the socio-political issues. Yes, we need to take capoeira all over the world; yes, we need to have capoeira in schools, but capoeira needs to be discussed within the molds that our capoeira ancestors did – battling.

Today, of course, do we need to pick up weapons? We don’t – yet. We have another weapon, which is education. And to educate is to try to elevate the capoeirista’s self-esteem, to lift our students’ self-esteem so that they are interested in living in society, discussing, questioning our society. But of course – as long as they have nicknames rather than names, they will not be citizens. And if they are not citizens, then they will not be part of this society, which has been discriminatory for a long time and is only changing its discrimination into new forms of being prejudiced against our people of African descent.

Thank you very much, and I want to thank TEDx Pelourinho for this opportunity. I want to be in other times and other places; I’m willing to take this discussion to any place. If any of you are directors of schools or if you have a space where I can share this concern of mine, I’m always willing. Thank you very much.

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Have you experienced prejudice in capoeira? Do you think capoeira nicknames can be pejorative?

espinhoo
espinhoo

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12.03.2011 18:18   Quote
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With all due respect to Mestre Moraes, I disagree. Most of slaves used nicknames because they just didn't want their master's name. Such as Cassius Clay preferred to be called Mohammed Ali.

The people most proud of their nicname (and real name) are often those who have a pejorative one, so I can understand why great masters want to keep it. Mestre Gigante has been called like this by Bimba because he was small... and he adores his nickname, even if it was derisive. Just like "Bimba" liked his nickname.

Moreover, the occidental culture is one of the few in which we give a first name without any (real) signification. Just because we like how it sounds. Yes... Robert is the name of your godfather? Well before it meant "bright fame" and he was given for a precise reason, according to his signification. Most of african, native and asiatic names are given according to a context, a history,... just as capoeira nicknames. And when you have such a meaningful name, you're proud of it, and it's normal. because it has a MEANING, a history behind it.

I think Moraes is thinking too much.

Espantalho1
Espantalho1

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12.04.2011 02:36   Quote
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Being given a capoeira name is nothing like slaves being given a catholic name.  I'm sorry, but I think Mestre Moraes is grasping for straws and they are slipping through his fingers.

PGCA

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12.04.2011 12:04   Quote
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With all due respect to Mestre Moraes, I disagree. Most of slaves used nicknames because they just didn't want their master's name. Such as Cassius Clay preferred to be called Mohammed Ali.

The people most proud of their nicname (and real name) are often those who have a pejorative one, so I can understand why great masters want to keep it. Mestre Gigante has been called like this by Bimba because he was small... and he adores his nickname, even if it was derisive. Just like "Bimba" liked his nickname.

Moreover, the occidental culture is one of the few in which we give a first name without any (real) signification. Just because we like how it sounds. Yes... Robert is the name of your godfather? Well before it meant "bright fame" and he was given for a precise reason, according to his signification. Most of african, native and asiatic names are given according to a context, a history,... just as capoeira nicknames. And when you have such a meaningful name, you're proud of it, and it's normal. because it has a MEANING, a history behind it.

I think Moraes is thinking too much.

 

I think that you miss the point...  And when you compare it to Muhammad Ali, I know that you miss the point...  Muhammad Ali is not a "nickname", it is a "Name"...  There is no problem with nicknames but the problem is the "derogatory" nicknames.  I have met capoeiristas who were called "big lips" and many other silly names...

 

espinhoo
espinhoo

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12.04.2011 15:35   Quote
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I think that you miss the point...  And when you compare it to Muhammad Ali, I know that you miss the point...  Muhammad Ali is not a "nickname", it is a "Name"...  There is no problem with nicknames but the problem is the "derogatory" nicknames.  I have met capoeiristas who were called "big lips" and many other silly names...

I don't think so. I used this comparison with the supposed origin of this nickname assignment. We're not in the same slavery context.

Keep in mind that capoeira is just an entertainment... nothing to take that seriously. Nobody will be "renamed" by a capoeira master, it's just a traditionnal ceremony, and it's fun.

 

Now we can debate on the pejorative nicknames, but it's another thing. On that point I agree with you, but I think Moraes wants to "abolish" the nicknames comparing them with the loss of slaves identity... He's speaking about people who don't like their nickname, but what if somebody was very proud to be called "big lips" ? I have a friend whose head is elongated behind, and he couldn't be prouder of his nickname "Alien" cause everybody calls him that way since his childhood.

Just like someone who doesn't like his real name (and THAT is terrible), he can change it. Nothing is more simple with a capoeira nickname, so what's the matter?

PGCA

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12.04.2011 23:39   Quote
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I don't think so. I used this comparison with the supposed origin of this nickname assignment. We're not in the same slavery context.

Keep in mind that capoeira is just an entertainment... nothing to take that seriously. Nobody will be "renamed" by a capoeira master, it's just a traditionnal ceremony, and it's fun.

 

Now we can debate on the pejorative nicknames, but it's another thing. On that point I agree with you, but I think Moraes wants to "abolish" the nicknames comparing them with the loss of slaves identity... He's speaking about people who don't like their nickname, but what if somebody was very proud to be called "big lips" ? I have a friend whose head is elongated behind, and he couldn't be prouder of his nickname "Alien" cause everybody calls him that way since his childhood.

Just like someone who doesn't like his real name (and THAT is terrible), he can change it. Nothing is more simple with a capoeira nickname, so what's the matter?

To you, capoeira may be just "entertainment" but to many, it is a way of life...  Of course it's not just about nicknames...  My mestre "nicknames" almost everyone in his academy but his nicknames are not degrading...  And if someone is proud of the name "big lips" then they are foolish.  That is the same as if  your teacher or Mestre gave you the name Nigger...  and  you walk around proud of being called Nigger by your mestre and other students.  Just because you are proud of it does not make it right, it just makes you a fool...

espinhoo
espinhoo

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12.05.2011 00:39   Quote
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or clever

lennon
lennon

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12.05.2011 10:29   Quote
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I think the meaning has shifted, (I thought it was so capoeiristas couldn't identify each other to the police but that may well be a capo urban myth :0D) . Being given a nickname implies you are an accepted member of a group, strangely in other situations they are often pejorative but not meant unpleasently. Conversly my nickname, was, I found out a while after being given it pejorative, I'm not black and in this case yes the teacher of the group didn't like me very much (but a source of income is a source of incomeMoney mouth). I am not the only person in the group who carried what they later found out was a degrading nickname (azeitona given because like olive oil in popeye I had no muscles, actually it was no co-ordination but I don't think my prof understood that deeply Laughing). I think the issue is with teachers power tripping and giving an unpleasent nick as a form of nasty joke as only they and other teachers (initially) can understand it. That is not a race issue but a humanity issue. I have since changed groups an originally intended to drop the nickname but my new prof also knew me by it and I ended up keeping it, as in a way, it defines me in capoeira, an one day who knows my game might be so smooth I deserve it in a good way Wink. In my current group one of the teachers doesn't often give nicknames and those of his students who are nameless have expressed a feeling its because he doesn't really care about them an their development. From the way he teaches I don't think this is the case, but it illustrates a nickname and the sense of belonging it carries is can be a powerful thing.

Espantalho1
Espantalho1

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12.05.2011 10:55   Quote
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It seems that Mestre Moraes is attacking the use of nicknames in capoeira in general.  If not, he could have much more concisely stated "I'm not into teachers giving their students really mean nicknames".  He would have gotten to the point a lot faster and left a lot less room for confusion.

BananaBoi
BananaBoi

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12.05.2011 17:37   Quote
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I understand the issue at hand. First of all a capoerista's apelido (nickname) was originally (and traditionally) created so that the capoeristas could gather and practice capoeira without fear of persecution. They created this tradition to avoid trouble with the law and if a capoerista was caught he would only know his fellow capoeiristas by their nickname and would be unable to identify them.

 

Now that we know that, we understand that the nickname isnt given from master to student to humiliate them, it is given to preserve tradition, often times in my old group I didnt really know the other students real names, I only knew them by their nicknames.

 

Is this an issue today? No. Capoeira isnt outlawed anymore since Mestre Bimba took a stand.

 

Normally the argument against capoeira nicknames are made by people who hate their nickname.

 

The rest of the community respects this tradition, we will not cater to the few.

This by the way is coming from a capoerista whos nickname is Banana Boi (as in Banana Bull), but 99% of the time people read it and translate it as Banana Boy...do I dislike this nickname? Sure. Do I honor and respect this tradition anyways? Yes

shiffd
shiffd

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12.05.2011 22:47   Quote
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Mestre Moraes opens up his message on the topic of bullying.

I have seen nicknames used in a way where people did not like it.  Naming someone is an issue of power.  Who gives the nicknames? The Mestre?  other members of the group?  Can you pick it yourself?

Just having given the power to someone, that alone is an opportunity for bullying.  It really depends how it is used though of course.

There are some very good points, and important questions asked here.

Identity is a powerful thing.  Names and Naming are very fundamental aspects of this.

I don't knwo that the conclusion of this is not to use nicknames, but instead to be more thoughtful of how, when and why they are used.

If someone comes to a Capoeira group proud of who they are and their background, their parentage, culture lineage etc.  Is it necessary for the Capoeira master to take that away from them in the context of Capoeira and rename them?  What are teh boundaries of that?

I agree that many peopel want the nickname, and could care less about their given name.  I think like anything it has to be taken case by case adn being thoughtful about what and why you are doing something is not a bad thing.

BananaBoi
BananaBoi

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12.07.2011 12:47   Quote
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I dont think someone can remove another person's background, their parentage, culture and lineage by simply giving that person a nickname.

I mean guys really? Who here hasnt had a bad nickname growing up? Did that change your lineage? Were talking about a nickname here. In no way shape or form is your mestre/grupo or whoever gives you your apelido going to a courthouse and changing your name legally. And its not like youre going to your family, friends, school, work etc and saying "Hey guys I know you all know me by John Smith, but my mestre changed it to Macaco so from now one please call me that." Thats ridiculous.

 

Ejodudu
Ejodudu

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12.08.2011 10:31   Quote
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I have always noticed issues like this become very polarized. The camp becomes those who understand the art very deeply and those who care less...

In North America it is "almost" like the tradition of using the "N-bomb" as PGCA implied, yes slavery is over, yes Jim crow is over, yes we are Post____ add favorite "ism" in there...but we know deep down...the labels truly mean nothing...it is how the energy that created, sustains and is sustaining this labels that matters...that is what the Mestre is perhaps alluding to. If capoiera is simply vadiar to you, then by all means enjoy it...the topic is NOT your cup of tea; however drinking water is not only to keep the tongue wet...

Manhoso113
Manhoso113

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12.17.2011 18:55   Quote
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Ive heard M.Moraes speech about this topic firsthand, and it looks like hes fleshed it out a bit.  I think the stereotypical names (specifically racial ones) are just lame.  My thought is just dont GIVE one, let someone earn or accidentally walk into one.. Like most nicknames are born.

shiffd
shiffd

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12.18.2011 17:33   Quote
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I dont think someone can remove another person's background, their parentage, culture and lineage by simply giving that person a nickname.

I mean guys really? Who here hasnt had a bad nickname growing up? Did that change your lineage? Were talking about a nickname here. In no way shape or form is your mestre/grupo or whoever gives you your apelido going to a courthouse and changing your name legally. And its not like youre going to your family, friends, school, work etc and saying "Hey guys I know you all know me by John Smith, but my mestre changed it to Macaco so from now one please call me that." Thats ridiculous.

 

 Nice try to put words into my mouth.

Within the context of Capoeira alone, within Capoeira practices and events.  And social gathering that extend into your personal space with other Capoeiristas.  Some Capoeiras live with other Capoeiras, train with them, most of their friends etc.  This happens even in Japan.  We speak all Japanese but just when its time to call eachother's name we use the apelido, it is very powerful.  Its a huge part of your life.  When you go home your mother and father call you by name.  WHen you go to work same.  But your activity, time, investment and identity in Capoeira is also a big part of your life.

Now when you are a mestre, when you are working professionally as a trainer, instructor or peformer of Capoeira.  Or even if it is amateur to semi-amateur but you are well known, around Brazil, or around US/Europe/Japan/the world....Then are you known by your given 'legal' name.  Or does everyone call you Mestre Bimba with only the well studying knowing your real name?

So if this is a name that is given by your friend's and famaly, maybe your own mother.  And it is endeared to you then perhaps a little dergogatory is OK.

But what about 1 Afro-Brazilian mestre amongst hundreds in Brazil, traveling around to batizado's trying to make a name for himself, and it has been decided that his name is something derogatory, soemthing which references his appearance to make him out as some kind of monkey or carion feeder?  Clearly this upsets Mestre Moraes and that is why he talks about it.  The name is powerful.  The identity is powerful.

Somebody is hefty, so they get a name which is about the same as calling them 'fatty'.  Someone is short so you give them a name like 'stubs'.   I think its case by case.  But the implications to completely define your identity in a major social context is pretty huge.

Let's say you got a Capoeirista coming out of Japan and his name was master 'squinty eyes'....Wouldn't you think its a bit fucked up?  What woudl you think about him and hwere he comes from other than he is asian.  If you know him by his name though, then he is known as a man from a certain place, a certain family and a certain people, and known this way within the world of Capoeira.  When you just change his name to refer to how he looks, then in the world of Capoeira all that you know about him is he looks a certain way.

I think nicknames are best for people who it really describe character and personality in an endearing way.  Otherwise it is really just bullying.

meninao
meninao

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12.22.2011 10:13   Quote
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I also think Moraes is going a little overboard.  I see some people's point on the bullying apsect but really the bullying could be worse in the roda. I think a name that is made to playfully poke fun, as opposed to being purposely malicious, is fine and it really says more about how the person takes that nickname then the people who give it too them.  I'm guessing most people who take major offense to their nicknames probably have some bullying issues from their childhood that come back up. My good friend was named Bujao or "gas tank" due to his wide build when he first started and he has gone on to own that name, to the point of actually going by it outside of capoeira. Another guy was named "Baldy" and after 10 years asked our mestre to change it to "Mountain Man", it never caught on because you don't nickname yourself.

To me the apelido should be given by the mestre and/or senior members of the group over time as a way of reflecting the characteristics they see in your game or personality.  It can be a little in joke or a more straightforward idea, but it should be given in earnest by people who know you and with meaning. I hate the practice of nicknames being given by visiting mestres at a batizado when they've never even spoke to the person. My nickname was given to me by my Professora, and Mestre's wife at the time. Both as a compliment on my youthful look with ridiculous size, and simultaneously as a jab at my immaturity. I love the double edged names myself.

BTW I'd never thought of Urubu as a black derogatory name. The one Mestre I know with that name I assume is due to his shoulder posture although he is black. Personally it makes more sense as a bald white guy on a physical basis.

Espantalho1
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12.23.2011 08:50   Quote
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I also think Moraes is going a little overboard.  I see some people's point on the bullying apsect but really the bullying could be worse in the roda. I think a name that is made to playfully poke fun, as opposed to being purposely malicious, is fine and it really says more about how the person takes that nickname then the people who give it too them.  I'm guessing most people who take major offense to their nicknames probably have some bullying issues from their childhood that come back up. My good friend was named Bujao or "gas tank" due to his wide build when he first started and he has gone on to own that name, to the point of actually going by it outside of capoeira. Another guy was named "Baldy" and after 10 years asked our mestre to change it to "Mountain Man", it never caught on because you don't nickname yourself.

To me the apelido should be given by the mestre and/or senior members of the group over time as a way of reflecting the characteristics they see in your game or personality.  It can be a little in joke or a more straightforward idea, but it should be given in earnest by people who know you and with meaning. I hate the practice of nicknames being given by visiting mestres at a batizado when they've never even spoke to the person. My nickname was given to me by my Professora, and Mestre's wife at the time. Both as a compliment on my youthful look with ridiculous size, and simultaneously as a jab at my immaturity. I love the double edged names myself.

BTW I'd never thought of Urubu as a black derogatory name. The one Mestre I know with that name I assume is due to his shoulder posture although he is black. Personally it makes more sense as a bald white guy on a physical basis.

 I agree.  There's nothing wrong with having a little fun with names.  I know people had fun with my name.  There should be lines drawn though.  Nothing too rude or mean.  Also, nicknames have their place.  Receiving a nickname at a batizado can be like part of a right of passage for some people or make them feel like part of the group or whatever.  I personally like the idea of giving nicknames in capoeira and I don't really mind that people have a little bit of fun with them.  The nicknames are supposed to be a little bit funny.   

BananaBoi
BananaBoi

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12.27.2011 06:11   Quote
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I also think Moraes is going a little overboard.  I see some people's point on the bullying apsect but really the bullying could be worse in the roda. I think a name that is made to playfully poke fun, as opposed to being purposely malicious, is fine and it really says more about how the person takes that nickname then the people who give it too them.  I'm guessing most people who take major offense to their nicknames probably have some bullying issues from their childhood that come back up. My good friend was named Bujao or "gas tank" due to his wide build when he first started and he has gone on to own that name, to the point of actually going by it outside of capoeira. Another guy was named "Baldy" and after 10 years asked our mestre to change it to "Mountain Man", it never caught on because you don't nickname yourself.

To me the apelido should be given by the mestre and/or senior members of the group over time as a way of reflecting the characteristics they see in your game or personality.  It can be a little in joke or a more straightforward idea, but it should be given in earnest by people who know you and with meaning. I hate the practice of nicknames being given by visiting mestres at a batizado when they've never even spoke to the person. My nickname was given to me by my Professora, and Mestre's wife at the time. Both as a compliment on my youthful look with ridiculous size, and simultaneously as a jab at my immaturity. I love the double edged names myself.

BTW I'd never thought of Urubu as a black derogatory name. The one Mestre I know with that name I assume is due to his shoulder posture although he is black. Personally it makes more sense as a bald white guy on a physical basis.

I agree.  There's nothing wrong with having a little fun with names.  I know people had fun with my name.  There should be lines drawn though.  Nothing too rude or mean.  Also, nicknames have their place.  Receiving a nickname at a batizado can be like part of a right of passage for some people or make them feel like part of the group or whatever.  I personally like the idea of giving nicknames in capoeira and I don't really mind that people have a little bit of fun with them.  The nicknames are supposed to be a little bit funny.

Id have to agree with the posts above. People are looking too much into this, as it is with most issues. Yes you can probably give someones name to be something awefull, if thats your case, sorry, and shame on your master. In my grupo not a single name is derogatory, we have:

1) Azul (he wore blue on every training session when he first joined before he got his abadas, grupo shirt and corda)

2) Manaus (hes from manaus in brasil)

3) Aranha (he struggled with making a ponte and was spread out all the time like a spider)

Etc. People get offended so easily these days, its almost like they look for things to be offended about. Relax folks not everyone is out to get you. If you have a malicious mestre giving derogatory names on purpose then leave the grupo, dont sit there and whine youre being bullied by your mestre and yet you show up every week for class.

Relax, communicate with your mestre if you are offended and talk things out. If you dont want an apelido tell your mestre, dont sit there and try to reck the tradition to the rest of us.

PGCABrotherJason
PGCABrotherJason

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12.28.2011 01:03   Quote
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Hi everyone, I wanted to share this viewpoint by Mestre Moraes where he talks about pejorative nicknames being given to African descendants in capoeira.

If you want to watch the original video (in Portuguese), you can do so here.

Shayna
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I don't know how many African Brazilians are on this thread (or how many Brazilians for that matter) but I believe that Mestre Moraes is speaking from a perspective that many of us have not experienced.  What a nick-name might mean to a white American (for example) may not mean the same thing to a black Brazilian.  A good example, here in America, would be if a white person were to call a little white American boy a "little monkey"; it would be cute.  But let that same white person call a little black American boy a "little monkey"...  Now we have to look at that "white" person twice...  It may have been innocent; but it doesn't have to be...  I am just saying that maybe there is a history and a continuing justification that still goes on...

grande
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12.29.2011 05:31   Quote
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Aaah, the irony.....

Banana Boi showing up when talk turns to monkeys.

 

Irony is cool.

grande
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12.29.2011 05:32   Quote
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Aaah, the irony.....

Banana Boi showing up when talk turns to monkeys.

 

Irony is cool.

uirapuru
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12.29.2011 09:25   Quote
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I don't know how many African Brazilians are on this thread (or how many Brazilians for that matter) but I believe that Mestre Moraes is speaking from a perspective that many of us have not experienced.  What a nick-name might mean to a white American (for example) may not mean the same thing to a black Brazilian.  A good example, here in America, would be if a white person were to call a little white American boy a "little monkey"; it would be cute.  But let that same white person call a little black American boy a "little monkey"...  Now we have to look at that "white" person twice...  It may have been innocent; but it doesn't have to be...  I am just saying that maybe there is a history and a continuing justification that still goes on...

At first, I wanted agree, but ask brazilian MMA fighter Macaco, is he offended. There is other aspect - if someone fat or obese got he's nickname and it's Gordo, Pezado or Pacoca (like my good friend) and that nickname was taken straight from visible 'quality' - why should he/she feel offended? Is lying to himself a good way of dealing with problems? And last aspect - it's just a nickname, a word - you will give a meaning and value to it by your work and your attitude. A good example is popularity of nickname Bobo/Bobinho etc. or.... Bimba.

ATACXGYMCAPOEIRA
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meninao
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01.19.2012 08:28   Quote
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Had an interesting thought:

Most people offended by nicknames probably have thin skin rather than black skin. I'd say a large proportion of Mestre's in Brazil are black or at least mixed race so it doesn't seem like its a bunch of racist white politicians saying lets call these capoeiristas "Blacky 1 thru...."

CapoeiraPanda
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01.21.2012 11:28   Quote
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Seriously folks, Mestre Moraes is talking as if when I got my capoeira name I went to my father, mother, sister, my wife and my kids and said "Hey listen guys I know youve known me for 28 years as Roberto, but from now on you will call me Panda, if you call me Roberto I wont answer to it, its Panda from now on." How ridiculous is that?

Mestre Moraes is talking as if Im going to walk in my place of business and tell my boss "Hey listen bill, I need you to change all my documents to reflect the name Panada, also send a company-wide memo saying that from now on my name is Panda".

Come on folks. Really?

When I was a kid my friends called me Carninha (my cousins owned a butcher house), did my parents call me that? No.

At one point Mestre Moraes says a father gives a son a name and here comes a capoeira mestre and renames his child....its absurd.

I agree that pejorative names can be inflamatory, but its nothing you and your mestre cant sort out.

Axe

Espantalho1
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01.21.2012 12:37   Quote
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I can't wait to name someone "Honey Badger".

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4r7wHMg5Yjg

CapoeiraPanda
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01.22.2012 13:28   Quote
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I can't wait to name someone "Honey Badger".

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4r7wHMg5Yjg

Honey Badger? I was going to reply that the Honey Badger has nothing on the Panda but then I watched your link lol.

Wish they named me Honey Badger....we do however have a girl in our grupo named "Mel" (honey) and a guy that badgers everyone in the grupo....

"Honey Badger dont care!!!!" lol

 

Axe.

 

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